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shaai 2 april 2019 15:21

quote:
Snarfie schreef op 2 april 2019 13:51:
[...]

Als bovenstaand de regeling is dan zou dus elke bank per klant moeten beoordelen of die klant in aanmerking komt om tot proffessionele klant te mogen worden geupgrade. Nou dan hebben ze mooi te kort geschoten ik heb nooit een vragen lijst/assessment whatever van hun gehad.

de regels gaan er imo min of meer vanuit dat je retail bent, maar als consumer onder voorwaarden kan aanvragen om als pro geklassificeerd te worden.
imo niet dat de bank dat actief hoeft te monitoren, de opzet is dat je als pro consumentenbescherming opgeeft, als je dat zelf wil.

Snarfie 2 april 2019 15:35

Kreeg net van mn bank te horen dat upgrade naar proffessionele partij niet relevant is om dat je geen qualified note holder bent. En die eisen zijn wel bekend en daar ga je nooit aan voldoen.

Directive, entities authorised or regulated by a Member State without reference to a Directive, and entities authorised or regulated by a third country:
(a) credit institutions;
(b) investment firms;
(c) other authorised or regulated financial institutions;
(d) insurance companies;
(e) collective investment schemes and management companies of such schemes;
(f) pension funds and management companies of such funds;
(g) commodity and commodity derivatives dealers;
(h) locals;
(i) other institutional investors.
Large undertakings meeting two of the following size requirements on a company basis:
(a) balance sheet total: EUR 20,000,000;
(b) net turnover: EUR 40,000,000; and
(c) own funds: EUR 2,000,000. ?

shaai 18 april 2019 15:33

daar komt ie dan:
final op 2 mei van 2,2093% (van admissable, dus niet van je nominaal)

www.lehmanbrotherstreasury.com/pdf/en...

No rights can be derived from any information contained in this notice, including any information
related to the timing and rate of distributions. Nothing in this notice should be deemed or construed as
an admission of liability or claims, or as a waiver of any rights, claims or defenses by LBT.
Noteholders or any interested parties should seek their own financial, tax or legal advice when
assessing the information contained in this notice or related to LBT, the Composition Plan and the
Information Notice.
Notice from Lehman Brothers Treasury Co. B.V. in liquidation ("LBT")
15 April 2019
Reference is made to the court approved composition plan (faillissementsakkoord) which
became effective on 3 April 2013 (the "Composition Plan") and the information notice on the
Partial Wind-Down dated 24 January 2019 (the "Information Notice"), which are available on
www.lehmanbrotherstreasury.com (the "LBT Website"). Unless indicated otherwise,
capitalised terms used in this notice have the meaning ascribed to them in the Information
Notice.
LBT will make the Final Distribution on Cash-Out Notes and Cash-Out Other Ordinary Claims
on 2 May 2019 (the "Distribution Date"). The Distribution Date may be delayed should market
circumstances so dictate.
The indicative distribution rate of the Final Distribution, calculated as the amount of the Final
Distribution converted into EUR1 and expressed as a percentage of the sum of the Admissible
Amounts of Cash-Out Claims (denominated in EUR) is 2.2093%.
2
The Final Distribution is made in accordance with and is subject to the Composition Plan and
the Information Notice. In accordance with the conditions and existing legal provisions of the
Note documentation and other provisions related or applicable to the holding or trading of Notes,
as well as the legal and operating arrangements between LBT and the Distribution Agent (as
defined in the Composition Plan), LBT will make distributions on the Cash-Out Notes to the
relevant Clearing Systems or, to the extent applicable, to the entities designated by the relevant
Clearing Systems for onward payment to the relevant Direct Participants. Direct Participants will
be responsible for allocating distributions to Noteholders.
This is LBT's final distribution on Cash-Out Claims, and no further distributions will be made
on Cash-Out Claims. On 25 April 2019, all Cash-Out Notes will be blocked by the relevant
Clearing System before payment of the Final Distribution. After payment of the Final

1 Based on the WM fixing (as adjusted for a dealing spread) foreign exchange rate that prevailed on
11 April 2019, being: USD 1 is equal to EUR 0.8867 (which is equivalent to EUR 1 is equal to USD 1.1278.
2 This indicative distribution rate is calculated based on the Final Distribution amount expressed in EUR at the
foreign exchange rate that prevailed on 11 April 2019. The corresponding actual distribution rate will depend
upon the USD/EUR foreign exchange rate that will prevail on the date approximately five business days before
the Distribution Date.
No rights can be derived from any information contained in this notice, including any information related to
the timing and rate of distributions. Nothing in this notice should be deemed or construed as an admission of
liability or claims, or as a waiver of any rights, claims or defenses by LBT. Noteholders or any interested
parties should seek their own financial, tax or legal advice when assessing the information contained in this
notice or related to LBT, the Composition Plan and the Information Notice.
2/2
Distribution, the Cash-Out Other Ordinary Claims will be fully extinguished and the Cash-Out
Notes will be cancelled. The cancellation of Cash-Out Notes is an administrative settlement,
whereby such Cash-Out Notes will be deregistered, or otherwise removed, from the Clearing
Systems.
The Final Distribution is made free of withholding tax, unless such withholding is required by
applicable law, rule, regulation or practice. Clearing Systems, Direct Participants, Noteholders,
Intermediary Institutions, holders of Cash-Out Other Ordinary Claims or any other party entitled
to any distributions from LBT are responsible for any and all tax consequences in any
jurisdiction related to the direct or indirect receipt of, or entitlement to these distributions. The
distributions made by LBT qualify as payment of liquidation proceeds made in accordance with
the Composition Plan. If such qualification would not be recognised in certain markets, and as
a consequence distribution payments would be characterised as a (partial) return of principal
or interest in those markets, any such characterisation, from LBT's perspective, is made solely
for operational and practical purposes in order to facilitate payment.
An overview of the Pro Rata Share (as defined in the Composition Plan) of the Final Distribution
amount applicable to each outstanding series of Cash-Out Notes and each Cash-Out Other
Ordinary Claim that will be paid by the Distribution Agent as well as the foreign exchange
conversion rates applicable to non-USD denominated Outstanding Series and to non-USD
denominated Other Ordinary Claims (as referred to in Article 4.2 of the Composition Plan), will
be published on or one business day before the Distribution Date on the LBT Website.
This is a communication as referred to in Article 3.4 of the Composition Plan.
Amsterdam, 15 April 2019
Lehman Brothers Treasury Co. B.V. in liquidation
Rutger J. Schimmelpenninck Frédéric Verhoeven
liquidators
Contact details: Lehman Brothers Treasury Co. B.V. in liquidation
Att. The liquidators
c/o Houthoff
PO Box 75505
NL-1070 AM Amsterdam, the Netherlands

shaai 18 april 2019 15:35

en ook op de substitution notes, (maar hoeveel is dat ongeveer in % op de oude notes?)

www.lehmanbrotherstreasury.com/pdf/en...

The indicative distribution rate of this first distribution to Holders of
Substitute Notes, calculated as Available Cash to be distributed expressed as a percentage of the Aggregate Nominal Amount of the Substitute Notes on issue (both denominated in U.S. Dollars), is 0.0380%.

shaai 24 april 2019 17:54

www.lehmanbrotherstreasury.com/pdf/en...

FORM OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE SUBSTITUTE NOTES
The following are the proposed terms and conditions (the "Terms and Conditions", which expression
includes these terms and conditions as amended, modified, supplemented and/or replaced from time to
time) of the Substitute Notes, which will be incorporated by reference in each Global Certificate and
will be attached to each Individual Certificate, in the latter case, only if permitted by the relevant
authority (if any) and agreed by the Issuer at the time of issue but if not so permitted and agreed, such
Terms and Conditions will be endorsed upon such Individual Certificate.

The substitute notes (the "Substitute Notes") are issued by Lehman Brothers Treasury Co. B.V. in liquidation (the "Issuer") pursuant to the Issuer's solicitation memorandum dated 24 January 2019

shaai 4 mei 2019 17:28

Geld was gistermiddag binnen bij in ieder geval Alex

DeZwarteRidder 20 januari 2020 13:14

quote:
DeZwarteRidder schreef op 28 februari 2018 17:58:
Ik krijg net bericht dat er een bod gedaan is van 7% op de Lehman Brothers UK Cap Fund 2005 door Scalene Funding.
Dit bod is vele malen hoger dan het bod van Deutsche Bank...!!

Weer een nieuw bod van Scalene: nu 27,%.........!!!

Binnenkort waarschijnlijk een laatste uitspraak van een rechtbank en de ontknoping.

shaai 20 januari 2020 17:55

Ik ben u heel (on)dankbaar voor deze mededeling...
Ik had ooit heel veel van deze voor bijna niets gekocht.
Volgens mij voor 10x niets (bijna niets) weggedaan...

jus1711 21 januari 2020 14:12

DZR ingaan op bod of toch wachten op laatste uitspraak?

DeZwarteRidder 21 januari 2020 14:23

quote:
jus1711 schreef op 21 januari 2020 14:12:
DZR ingaan op bod of toch wachten op laatste uitspraak?

De rechter moet alleen nog de juiste rangorde bepalen.

jus1711 21 januari 2020 14:43

Kun je inschatten, wat dit betekent voor een uitkering

DeZwarteRidder 21 januari 2020 15:34

quote:
jus1711 schreef op 21 januari 2020 14:43:
Kun je inschatten, wat dit betekent voor een uitkering

Alles is mogelijk.

[verwijderd] 21 januari 2020 16:13

bedoel je deze 3 : XS0215349357, XS0229269856 en XS0243852562, resp: Lehman Brothers UK Capital Funding I LP 10.00% (funding 1 2 en 3)?

En waar kun je daar nog in handelen?

DeZwarteRidder 21 januari 2020 17:36

quote:
lute11 schreef op 21 januari 2020 16:13:
bedoel je deze 3 : XS0215349357, XS0229269856 en XS0243852562, resp: Lehman Brothers UK Capital Funding I LP 10.00% (funding 1 2 en 3)?
En waar kun je daar nog in handelen?

Kleine beleggers kunnen er niet meer in handelen, hoogstens nog verkopen.
Ik vindt dat absoluut schandalig, maar dat komt door allerlei belachelijke nieuwe beursregels.

geldmaker 29 januari 2020 09:18

quote:
DeZwarteRidder schreef op 21 januari 2020 17:36:
[...]
Kleine beleggers kunnen er niet meer in handelen, hoogstens nog verkopen.
Ik vindt dat absoluut schandalig, maar dat komt door allerlei belachelijke nieuwe beursregels.

Ridder zit je nog in AMG?

shaai 19 februari 2020 11:35

quote:
DeZwarteRidder schreef op 20 januari 2020 13:14:
[...]
Weer een nieuw bod van Scalene: nu 27,%.........!!!

Binnenkort waarschijnlijk een laatste uitspraak van een rechtbank en de ontknoping.

ik heb gehoord dat dat bod is gecancelled. Gister ging er 25k op 15%.
Maar geen idee welke brokersnog wel in kunnen leggen. Imo niet meer via Binck, Rabo, ING, DeGiro en Lynx in ieder geval

jus1711 7 mei 2020 12:41

iemand nog iets gehoord met betrekking tot rangorde te bepalen door de rechter cq een bod ?

DeZwarteRidder 7 mei 2020 12:42

quote:
jus1711 schreef op 7 mei 2020 12:41:
iemand nog iets gehoord met betrekking tot rangorde te bepalen door de rechter cq een bod ?

Op de website van PWC is niks te vinden.

www.pwc.co.uk/services/business-restr...

shaai 7 mei 2020 15:00

op de NL Lehman www.lehmanbrotherstreasury.com/genera...
is ondertussen al weer 3x op de subsitution notes uitgekeerd, ca 0,25% 0,2% en 0.0473%.

dan lijkt vooralsnog die final distribution van 2,2% niet zo heel slecht, maar op de substitution notes zal ooit nog wel iets meer volgen als alle reserveringen voor juridische uitspraken ooit vrijvallen. leuke klus voor de curatoren en advocaten zo...

shaai 24 maart 2021 00:40

de Lehman UK:
www.rns-pdf.londonstockexchange.com/r...

heb ze niet meer, geen zin om te doorgronden, heel verhaal

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